The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. He was told to shoot two rounds. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. Fine. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. It was expensive. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. SIG says ABC had intended to include some of those other claims in their reports, but after SIG informed the network of the additional information that was uncovered, those cases werent included in either of the segments. And thats just my opinion. I sold that pistol when I got it back. I still own them all. Theyre the only product that is not. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. Plastic crap! I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. Wheee!!. Fair enough. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. But that's not working in the P320, he said. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. . Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. About $300. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. SIG SAUER Statement on CANSOFCOM Incident - Soldier Systems Daily Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. Either the gun is defective or its not. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. Why are Milwaukee police Sig Sauer guns accidentally going off? Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Kyle . Yaaay! Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). Lawsuit: Sig Sauer pistol fired without trigger pull - Portsmouth Herald Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. Companies stay silent Sig P320 discharge while holstered | Sniper's Hide Forum I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. Period. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Pistol misfire that injured soldier was an unpredictable accident - CBC . Ron, No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. three changes to the original design. Where is that defect now? Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? Misfires and Lawsuits Plague Sig Sauer P320 And have the dropping 320 go off? Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Nope. With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 Its difficult to believe thats a coincidence. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. The sheriff's office said its investigation found no mechanical problems with its deputy's gun. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. there is no better. It has been flawless so far. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. One hell of a conspiracy. Thats SIGs term for a recall. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. These lawsuits arent about Sig making a defective weapon, theyre about lawyers building a nationwide consensus in civil trial that makes it easier (and more lucrative) to soak gunmakers. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. Where is this lightning striking twice? I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND.